As I grew up in this church and began to understand more, it became clear to me that what was being preached First, I must say I have been a little hesitant to share my journey. mint, rue and all manner of herbs all agricultural products from the land. Anyway I hope that things get better for you soon, and one that that really helped me was browsing through the e-mails and messages on here, and seeing how many of us had the same kinds of issues. Pastors tiptoe around specific sins so not to offend. To only teach from the New Testament and ignoring the old is not using the whole Word of God. having fellowship with younger people in their 20s and 30s, between services. Anyhow he screamed through most of it (funny I never see Jesus screaming at folks, particularly His followers) told some fantastic tales, not saying he was lying, but, well you know what I mean. In 1663, Charles II, gave the colony a royal charter and it read: Our royal will and pleasure is, that no person within the said colony, at any time hereafter, shall be in any wise molested, punished disquieted, or called in question, for any differences of opinion in matters of religion, and do not actually disturb the civil peace of the said colony. G.L. It is not the name or the organization that makes a Biblical church, but its practice of the faith as revealed in the New Testament. Steve February 4, 2016 Leaving the IFB 12 Comments I So what is the solution? Im surprised but shouldnt be by now that folks know so very little about their respective churches/traditions, most just sit in the pew and simply repeat what their pastor has told them, never checking and studying for themselves, what thus saith the Lord You act so surprised that I questioned you about which Church of Christ you were referring to, do yourself alittle favor and have a look at wikipedias lists of Churches of Christ First and foremost I wanted to make sure you werent referring to the The Church of Christ of Latter Day Saints which is a flat-out cult. I am divorced, and I always sit in the front rows. Look at Ezekiel 33. He is only one of many such godly men who would not compromise the truth. People have a tendency to attempt to conceal their sin. Register for events, receive notifications, read devotionals, watch or listen to recent sermons, and more. Exposing the Dangerous Teachings of the Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Denomination, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception 2009-2020, Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception. This trip is open to pastors and their wives. You said that I pulled that phrase out of context but then you went on to prove that it was in context. Wed love to hear about it! But this issue is just another one that the IFBs get wrong, worrying themselves over externals as opposed to the internals. 2 Timothy 2:15, Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. All but seven were above the Mason-Dixon line. The issue that concerns me about dress standards is that the position a church takes is a Biblical one. /r/Christianity is a subreddit to discuss Christianity and aspects of Christian life. I finally understood one day while reading Freedom of Mind by Steven Hassan that those feelings and thoughts are the result of brainwashing. Youve done nothing to, directly compare doctrine and practices using scripture to make the assertion which is correct.. Fannin was later ejected as the lead preacher of SBC-Jax. -, Safety in the comfortable cocoon of fundamentalism -, Spiritual warfare and special needs: "Remember who you battle." G.L. I was a better version. Unfortunately, the Hi guys! WebTwin Cities Baptist Church Independent, Fundamental, Baptist work dedicated to the edification of the believer and spreading the Gospel of Jesus Christ for the Glory of God. It cannot be stated too often that the importance of these churches was not in their name, but in what they believed and practiced. 14) before the Lord Jesus announced the coming establishment of the ekklesia. (Matt 16:18). Puritans and Baptists alike, to escape persecution, migrated to the New World. else here raised Independent Fundamental Baptist I've met many of the men you guys discuss on the podcast. A church only has authority to set guidelines on dress as it is addressed in Scripture. Be courageous! Like I alluded to earlier most folks dont study their bible, and many do so with preconceived ideas, please have a look at your churchs stance on these issues according to scripture and see if Thomas Campbell is right about these things. This led to calls to evict Stedfast Baptist Church from its location at a strip mall in Watauga, Texas. For IFB churches, most use this as a baseline in their giving with II Cor 9:7 for guiding in the heart of giving. Baptist continued to grow in numbers through the period of the Great Awakening and up to the time of the Revolutionary War. Theres no recourse. I was able to better understand the New Testament. Im sure you realize all this, but I thought I would throw my voice in it. Its derived from two possible origins: 1. I thought that this was the passage you were referring to. However, John the Baptist was an Old Testament saint and the last Old Testament prophet (Matt. There are plenty of church members that disagree with the preacher on many topics. So how all USA (& most Developed Nations tithe, etc) is no different than at my IFB Church fellowship I attend. The first time I listened to the RFP 3 years ago, I met it with skepticism. Please keep us informed in regards to your journey! Leaving Fundamentalism Leaving Fundamentalism Religion & Spirituality Podcast dedicated to my experiences of being a member of the Independent Fundamental Baptist Church (IFBC), my decision to leave, and life after. They direct their own affairs under the authority of the New Testament Scriptures, free from the outside interference. If you dont already, try it some time. Im made of dirt, but God is gonna let my neighbor go to Hell because the dirt-clod next door didnt give him a Chick tract!! I spent my teen years in an IFB church, a church so strictly IFB that the Christian college I attended was too liberal for the pastors liking. I think Lynne has been fed a large dose of legalism, and just cant seem to escape it. A couple of things to consider here, first he was speaking to Pharisees, and they were in fact still under law. Overview of the IFB Church Independent Fundamental Baptist Though many people including Websters Dictionary refers Baptists as being Protestants, it is not correct to refer to them as such or to lump all non-Catholic denominations in one group and label them Protestant. Introduction: some self-observations about legalism. By 1644, these congregations grew to seven churches. My husband and I left the IFB church about a year and a half ago. @greg Don't want any frauds! Knolleys was under deep conviction of the need to preach the New Testament and follow its example as ones rule of faith. So you made assumptions based on very little. [4], Despite the website's claims that each church is independent, some followers and former followers of the New IFB have accused Anderson of having complete control over the organization and ejecting anyone who has a minor disagreement with him. These churches remained sound in doctrine and practicing the faith of the New Testament. However, tithing has nothing to do with your Salvation No tithing is not mandated, no good work is..just as no good work can save us. I think a biblical case can be made for modesty, for both men and women, beyond that, you would be hard-pressed to find anything else. He was much displeased with the Puritan theocracy. As with any true New Testament church, its validity as a true church approved of God, does not, nor or ever did rest on its name or upon a succession of churches, but on its adherence to the principles of Gods Word. Today there are at least a hundred different groups which all themselves Baptist. Many of these churches have conflicting beliefs and practices. In Europe, Protestant churches are state churches and supported to some degree by government imposed taxes. Thank you for the article, for your love for the King of all Kings. 2 Timothy 2:24, And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient. 6) teach old testament tithing new testamenent giving is found in 2 Cor 9:7 Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. How did you leave the Independent Fundamental Baptist cult? "[3], The New IFB was formed by Anderson and other Baptist pastors in 2017 in an attempt to revive what they perceived older independent Baptist churches once represented. In 1638, he landed in Boston and settled for a short time in Piscataway (now Dover) in New Hampshire. He was a presbyter and former deacon in the Anglican church. Have They Left the Institutional Church I believe any church that does that is potentially cultic because that means they worship the preacher rather than the Lord. I know that we dont use argriculture in the same way they did. He also had a big thing against girls being in beauty pageants, not sure what the problem was there. If someone wanted to Tithe down to a tenth of all they owned & sell or give value of itIm sure they could. Wonderful response and so very true!! It is one made up of baptized believers organized in a local congregation for fellowship, teaching and evangelism. You are doing exactly what Mark 7:7 speaks against, you are teaching false doctrines and commandments of men. You will understand that God does indeed love you, and that Gods love isnt dependent on living up to mans expectations or manipulation. We all make mistakes, the only thing we can do is apologize and attempt to do better. I would agree with this. I meant to say that I agree that the IFB has strict dress standards. Feel free to send me a facebook message. The idea the bread and wine (grape juice) in the Lords Supper becoming the physical body of Christ when taken is a Roman Catholic teaching that Protestants only changed slightly. Independent Fundamental Baptists (IFB) is a loosely-affiliated, cultish denomination of Christian fundamentalists. In response to the concerns, Although, many Protestants returned in part to a belief in the Bible as their authority for their faith and practice, not one of them EVER completely left all the doctrinal errors and false teachings of the apostate Roman Catholic church. Some of his former congregation in Salem joined him and they set up a colony. Our final military deployment homecoming: finally together forever! WebFirst Baptist Church Of Rose Hill is an independent Baptist church in Redmond, Washington. Tithing is still a required act in obedience just like loving the Lord thy God and loving thy neighbor as thyself is. The point is the name Baptist in the beginning was used to designate a true New Testament assembly that was biblically sound. When I turned 18, the dreams I thought I had were destroyed, and the things I believed about God were challenged in deep ways. For you tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass by justice and the love of God. Independent Fundamental Baptist churches have fellowship one with the other and often cooperate in such things as evangelism. http://www.av1611.org/ this web site is dial-the-truth ministries, but I call them dial-the-. My brother attends an IFB church. 3. of Infighting, Anti-LGBTQ Church Network The New IFB considers the modern nation of Israel to be a fraud and it also teaches that Christians rather than Jews are God's chosen people. It is a historic fact the first Baptist church in America was founded by another Baptist congregation. We have a few mutual friends. (David Benedict, A General History of the Baptist Denomination in American, and Other Parts of the World, London: Lincoln and Edmands, Nr. The over the years the growth of so many false and idolatrous practices caused some within the Catholic church such as Martin Luther to rebel, and to try to reform the Catholic church. Grayson Fritts is the pastor of All Scripture Baptist Church, a new Independent Fundamental Baptist Church located in Knoxville, Tennessee. Church Directory For Independent Baptists My husband and I have been seeing things that we question for over a year now. Leaving Fundamentalism on Apple Podcasts I just have a question. If lots of the Church congregation was wearing Scooby doo and sponge bob square pants costumes or swimsuits regularly to Church I would guess that some people would probably leave and look for another Church. I know of no place in scripture where a tithe is ever money! Before this new family came, we really didnt notice it much but we really see it now and even to the point that we had a deacon vote and it was rigged. How can you not see that? The Independent Baptist believes that to join with churches who teach and practice false doctrine is condone and even show approval of Biblical error and that all doctrinal error is sin. Please see the Tithing Deception and Tithe 10% or Get Punished articles for more information. You either comply or you are thrown out. John was beheaded by Herod (Matt. Still others rail about the same sin constantly, possibly out of their own guilt. 8.) Along with pioneer missionary William Carey, we believe The future is as bright as the promises of God!, Greater Portland Baptist Church is committed to making a difference in Portland and around the world. Dress codes are not the problems. While IFB churches are autonomous, most of them share certain characteristics, many of which are below. Ok, so Im pretty sure you are referring to the Church of Christ that was founded by good ol Thomas Campbell (1763-1854) He was a fine Scottish Presbyterian who left Ireland to come to western PA. in 1807. We are white and we go to a black church and have been more accepted than the IFB churches we attended. He has been an alcoholic, had been sexually abused in a Catholic orphanage, had lost his family, and had lost everything. The pastors wife ran much of the church, and she had a serious bitter tongue; she would pick on the weaker people in the church. The New IFB began with Steven Anderson of Faithful Word Baptist Church in response to perceived liberalism in other independent Baptist churches. I feel silly because some of the things I stood up for on this site are the same things that made me leave. 7. I doubt I would be allowed to wear Just a Speedo to any Church on a regular basis. 1 Peter 3:16, Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ. Mostly because that had nothing to do with my question. These true Baptists added the adjectives Fundamental and Independent to their name in order that they not be identified with the false practices and teaching of the doctrinally unsound churches using the Baptist name. ANyone who wont give to thie ronw family or help the place where they go to felloship togther (bills etc) is pretty lousy I think & no amount of preaching it will probally make a differenc eunless God pricks thier hearts. Soul liberty is a belief that everyone is responsible to God individually. Some IFB are good fellowships, some Plymouth Brethren Open) are good fellowships..etc. They would probably be allowed in this Church though called Ivor Church: Many Baptists were executed by the newly formed Church of England during what is called the Protestant inquisition. Tithing I believe is liberty. Soft Separatism and the Downfall of Many Independent Baptist Churches Others have to a lesser degree compromised the Word of God by their teaching, practices and church polity trying to confront to popular religious tends. Its a scary, ugly story. Someone, somewhere has hurt you. Greater Portland Baptist Church is making a difference Jude 22 in Portland and around the world. They are worlds apart. Blessings. There he became the pastor of the Puritan church. Yes we only use KJV (I perosnally like it better myself because I like the Shakespeareanesque vernacular versus modern but thats a personal choice). 6. I Fired God: My Life Inside---and Escape from---the Secret World But when a crowd gathered and pressed against Jesus, He asked Simon if He could use the fishing boat as an impromptu pulpit to teach the people. 01 May 2023 20:04:13 Thus the words Independent and Fundamental have been added by many Baptist churches to further identify themselves as truly Bible believing churches and to show a distinction between themselves and Baptist churches who were not following Gods word. New Independent Fundamentalist Baptist churches (also known as the New IFB) or officially the New Independent Fundamental Baptist Movement are an association of conservative, King James Only, independent Baptist churches. Now when the head of a church & all dem that fall in line must appply apsotast (like openly Gay Pastor, etc) than you should have some of them on here big. It lead me down a road that took me farther away from God rather than closer. God alone has that authority and He in the person of the Holy Spirit brings conviction and salvation to those who in simple faith believe. What I want to know is this typical of someone raised IFB or am I crazy? Smyth died in 1612, and the church ended in Holland shortly after that with Helwy, Thomas and John Murton returning to England as persecution there had lessened. The form is submitted along with the recommendations of other Calvary Chapel clergymen. The Puritans did not believe in such things and they drove him from their colony. I think most people would agree with me on this. I meant to say: your friend in Jesus. As far as I recall no church ever told me must. Currently 24 tabs open on my desktop and about double that in my brain! These churches were missions minded and formed schools to train preachers and missionaries. Looking back, do you believe you were part of a cult? I believe every one should realize that all is God & if a saint desires to put a tenth to honor God & furthering His kingdom or whatver portion as He desiresthat s a noble act between God & Himself. Read all (mor ethan on epost under name Lynne). But it is for these very reasons that I and millions of other Americans cant understand it. But today I bought an actual coolerwith rollers. The crucial point is not that they called themselves Baptists, but they followed the Bible as their sole authority for faith and practice. Also, those who God draws will come to Christ and believe in Him. Baptists Briders, infer they can trace their history back to John the Baptist who was the first Baptist. Right down to exactly a tenth. BTW, my Church of Christ neighbor and I were good friends, and looked out for each other. Remember BJ, God is Almighty. The true Independent Fundamental Baptists have no association or fellowship with these churches because they teach or practice things contrary to the New Testament. God leads us as we depend upon the Holy Spirit and keep His Word. February 21, 2020 Hatewatch Staff The New Independent Fundamental Baptist network, most prominently associated with anti-LGBTQ pastor Steven Anderson, appears to be in turmoil as infighting again erupts, this time between Anderson and fellow pastors in the network. Thanks and may God bless. If the church u are leaving is Christian they will understand. Lynne, I recently left an IFB with my husband and son. No, you arent crazy. It is the Word of God, the Bible, that makes up what is a real and true church! One can be feed, clothed , housed & grow up lost & will die but the Gospel offers Eternal Life! I dont know awhole lot about the Episcopal church, but Im sure there are some wonderful folks there. The KJV is a wonderful translation and very valid for its time, and you, like many others love it for its beautiful shakesperean english. He said from the pulpit, No one ever asked me if I was a Christian while out in public! Im thinking thats not a good thing. http://www.nakedpastor.com/2011/01/27/total-unaccountable-power/. By 400 AD, the Emperor Theodosius had declared Christianity the only state religion of the Roman Empire. The transformation God is making in our lives makes us stand out. Malc. Abuse Allegations Found in Fundamental Baptist Churches Tithing is not for God.